Enneagram 8’s are known to be aggressive, champions of justice, and people who welcome opposition. Our guest Patrick Chappell is the only African American staff member in a large southern church, an Enneagram 8, and one of the best people we know to help us understand how our individual life story shapes our personality.

Ian, Suzanne, and Patrick explore dealing with feelings of betrayal and how to manage our anger to live a life of grace.

Because of Patrick’s unique situation, he offers keen insight to help us gain a deeper understanding and compassion for one other.

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